UnderseaCaveman Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - Cheryl, Aloha, USCVM
erkd1 Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - You know Norway uses the heat generated from sewage plants to heat homes... And I will challenge you one of your statements, Neo Cons push out crap everyday and the press eats it, then the same Neo Cons eat that same crap they pushed out and present it is food! LOL You mean you can't get more energy out of a machine then you put into it, or the source of the energy is diluted. We have perpetual motion machines now, but they take a shit load of energy to run. Its about positive net gains.
UnderseaCaveman Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - Haha.... so, perpetual motion in "Negative Energy" Systems does work, like in the Main Stream Media (Fox, CNN and the NYT)... That's brilliant... Mahalo! Aloha, USCVM
erkd1 Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - For example: a satellite, they just keep on moving, perpetual motion, but produce no usable energy beyond their own function. Or a turbine from a dam or tidal forces, they keep on going, but produce less energy then the energy given to them. The second law of thermodynamics is really about resistance, as the first law is that a body without that will stay in motion. The second law builds on the first law. So matter what you are talking about, its always the conservation of energy.
erkd1 Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - LOL Caveman, you get my jokes. Thanks man :D
johnnyLiberty1776 Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - speaking of SHIT! have you seen some of the comments George Bush has made on Tv? now their some real SHIT for ya! nice post USCM.
anyusmoon1 Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - There are a lot of organisms that eat the manure, or receive some kind of energy from the manure of OTHER SPECIES, not their own- perpetually.
anyusmoon1 Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - I am one of the ignorant ones (no physics classes for me), but what I find defeatist about this line of thinking is... Even if another form of energy is required to start the 'perpetual motion' machine (which is now a quasi-perpetual motion machine and perhaps needs a bit more periodically for either acceleration, then doesn't a quasi-perpetual thing have merit for the savings of how it operates, within a range, without aid?
Heartkissing7 Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - Thank u John for sending it...very informative and quite interessting!!! 5* dear greetings Tina xxx
UnderseaCaveman Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - well, plants also receive lots of sunshine and water! The energy comes from photosynthesis generally. But, even if all energy came from excrements, it would not it's own excrement alone...no perpetual motion!
UnderseaCaveman Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - hmmmm...what's the difference between periodic pulse to maintain motion, and a continuous force that sums up to the same total energy (as pulses over long period). So, if any input beyond initial is required, it's not perpetual....and we haven't talked about drawing energy from it. There is always something to "rob energy" from a system. Only sounds defeatist from an anthropologic perspective, because we wish it otherwise! The cosmos thinks it's quite fine :)
UnderseaCaveman Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - Johnny, yes.... sounds like Iran is gonna be the next Bush adventure! The shit don't stop!
anyusmoon1 Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - Correct.
anyusmoon1 Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - Summarily I agree with you. What I'm suggesting is this... the pursuit of the longest possible momentum from the least amount of charge is worthy- so whether we quite using the term perpetual motion but continue to strive for engineering seems honest enough (I guess). It becomes semantical at some point.
UnderseaCaveman Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - anyusmoon, you are absolutely right, we want to continue to make our machines more efficient. There are some claiming machines that put more energy than what was put in... that's where I really draw the line. If the machine kept recycling output back to input, it would reach infinite energy...so it's poop-po from the get-go! But, getting close to 100% efficiency is desirable and worthy!
UnderseaCaveman Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - Soulfree, I agree with all you said. Aloha, USCVM
UnderseaCaveman Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - your intuiton serves you well!
UnderseaCaveman Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - oops, don't mix up the laws of motion and thermodynamics. The first is very physics, the second actually deals with the limits on machines we can build, and deals with energy transfer. Basically, in any energy conversion (chemical to heat for instance), not all energy can be usefully captured (some is lost to the universe. As a system whole (machine plus universe), all energy is conserved, but from the machine view, energy lost!
bizzarkreations Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - I am always open to info to expose the truths for people and life. Thanks again
LEOFALASCO Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - I think that diet would work for about a week then you need to add some crackers
UnderseaCaveman Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - Hahaha....with wasabi aoli or horseradish!
JoeyJr702 Escribio:
Jun 20, 2008 - ~~JoeyJr702 Takes a bow~~ :)
bebop54 Escribio:
Jun 21, 2008 - minimalism .......
UnderseaCaveman Escribio:
Jun 21, 2008 - hehehe.....of the stinky kind!
UnderseaCaveman Escribio:
Jun 19, 2008 - LLCoolPass, hair's gettin' longer? yes!